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Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 21 Points: -84 Location: Provo Utah
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I've been reading a terrific book lately, Clive James' Cultural Amnesia: Necessary Memories from History and the Arts. It's a sort of demented encyclopedia, with shortish articles about a whole lot of figures in literary history, some of them important and some of them obscure. The essays each begin with a short quotation from the figure in question, and the accompanying essays sometimes deal with that writer's work, and something go way off the tracks on some other subject altogether. The main theme has to do with how literature and humanism intersect with politics, and in particular the savage politics of the 20th century. Great book, recommend it highly.
Anyway, one quirk James indulges is the one in which he informs us what the very best book is on any of a number of topics. Best Civil War History, for example: clearly Shelby Foote's. Best Sartre biography: Hazel Rowley's. And so on.
So I thought it might be fun to do that. Make up our own subjective list of the very best ever in different categories. The point would be to introduce people to books they may not know. I mean, if I say The Backslider is the best Mormon novel ever, and you think it's The Giant Joshua, well, we disagree. But if I've never read The Giant Joshua, maybe I'd be inclined to after reading someone else on the topic. So here are a few:
Best Mormon novel: The Backslider (Levi Peterson) Best Mormon short story: God on Donahue (Margaret Young) Best collection of short stories: Under the Cottonwoods (Doug Thayer) Best collection of short stories most people probably haven't heard of: Nothing Very Important (Bela Petsco) Best LDS film: States of Grace (Richard Dutcher, dir.) Best film put out by the Church: Man's Search for Happiness Best LDS hymn: If you should Hie to Kolob Worst LDS hymn: Oh, Say, what Is truth? Best LDS musical: Bring the Mountain Down (Marvin Payne and Steven Kapp Perry) Best LDS play: Hancock County (Tim Slover) Best Mormon fantasy writer: Dave Farland (otherwise known as Dave Wolverton Best Joseph Smith biography: is there any doubt? Rough Stone Rolling Best General Authority public speaker: Matthew Cowley
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I am on board with almost all of these. Except to say that your own Accomidations or Gadianton would be right up there with Hancock County. The big surprise is Best LDS musical: Bring the Mountain Down (Marvin Payne and Steven Kapp Perry) It premiered at Education Week recently. Marvin and Steven have done great things in the past, so I do not doubt it is a wonderful musical. Tell us about it, what was so hot about it?
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I second a lot of these. Love "Hie to Kolob"! But I second Andrew on Gadianton. I would say that Neal Chandler's Benediction is the best short story collection. There are too many "Worst LDS Hymns" for me to even start but I'd have to include "Called to Serve." I've never been able to sing it since Art Bassett described cheerleaders with pom-poms leading the song . . .
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. . . and I liked Brigham City more than States of Grace. But I can't say that it was BETTER. I'll trust you theater/film guys on that one.
Probably we should mention the story collections that Gene England edited, too.
Best LDS manuscript I've read: Angela Hallstrom's "Bound on Earth," soon to be printed by Parables.
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Joined: 9/12/2007 Posts: 51 Points: -170 Location: Utah
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I believe the story collections Eugene England did were called "anthologies" (collections with stories by different authors, where "story collections" are collections of stories by the same author), and so could be in their own category without actually competing with the story collections Eric has listed.
I'm with Darlene in liking BRIGHAM CITY more than STATES OF GRACE.
And I much prefer reading Orson Scott Card's fantasy works to Dave Farland's, though I really like both men. Also, I think Brandon Sanderson is well on his way to giving both a them a run for their money.
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. Eric Samuelsen wrote: Worst LDS hymn: Oh, Say, what Is truth?
You surely don't mean to suggest this is worse than In Our Lovely Deseret?!?!
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Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 24 Points: 72 Location: Detroit, MI
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I'd have to say that even though I feel more affection for Brigham City, States of Grace is the superior film when it comes to aesthetics, thematic development, and alla that other stuff.
What about best Mormon poetry collection or single poem?
What about best Mormon visual or performing artist?
Friendliest Mormon Community for the arts?
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Plus, to my discredit, I've never seen Man's Search For Happiness so I can't really speak to it as the best institutional Mormon film. I'm a fan of The Mountain of the Lord which I've always felt was underrated. I also like the proselyting film On The Way Home.
What about favorite LDS crossover artist -- you know, so we can throw a bone to the Aaron Eckharts and Ryan Goslings of the world.
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Eric W Jepson wrote:. Eric Samuelsen wrote: Worst LDS hymn: Oh, Say, what Is truth?
You surely don't mean to suggest this is worse than In Our Lovely Deseret?!?! Wow, I'd forgotten In Our Lovely Deseret. It certainly wins the "unintentional comedy" sweepstakes. But my son has a paraphrase of Oh Say What Is Truth, which begins Oh How Cool Is Truth, and continues "it's rad, it's phat, it's da bomb," which I think lampoons the paucity of invention and insight that mars Oh Say What is Truth. Plus our ward sang it last week, at the usual Utah funereal pace, and my it was a long 10 minutes.
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My favorite LDS hymn-- ironically, by Eliza Snow who I believe wrote In Our Lovely Deseret-- would probably be O My Father. Although I think If You Could Hie To Kolob is certainly in the running because it's so darn cool, but it's not as personal as O My Father. I have read neither Giant Joshua nor Backslider-- but they're both on my list-- but I think my favorite LDS novel is OSC's Saints. I had a powerful experience with that book. I may not call it the "best" (because Eric's other work is more influential) but one of my personal "favorite" plays is Eric Samuelsen's The Seating of Senator Smoot. It was one of the plays that really pushed me to write specifically Mormon drama as a teenager. Gadianton had a similar effect. His play called Family is rivaling both of those as a favorite, however. Fires of the Mind and Stuck on the Edge are two plays which have reached into that realm for me, too.
Upon the stage of a theater can be represented in character, evil and its consequences, good and its happy results and rewards; the weakness and the follies of man, the magnamity of virtue and the greatness of truth. The stage can be made to aid the pulpit in impressing upon the minds of a community an enlightened sense of a virtuous life, also a proper horror of the enormity of sin and a just dread of its consequences. The path of sin with its thorns and pitfalls, its gins and snares can be revealed, and how to sun it (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.243; Bookcraft, 199
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Joined: 10/26/2007 Posts: 2 Points: 6 Location: Bloomington IN
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I actually have Cultural Amnesia on hold at our library at the moment - so now I am even more excited to read it. Having never lived in Utah, just visited extended family there, it is interesting for me to note the varied backgrounds of AML members. As far as I remember, I have never seen a Mormon play or musical (do ward roadshows from the 70s count?). I have only seen one or two Mormon films - they don't come to our theaters and I rarely think about renting them later (even if they are to be found locally). I think I had the misfortune of seeing a couple of the worst LDS films and that probably doomed my future viewing. We do own Saints and Soldiers - I don't consider it an LDS film (but close) but we think it's a great film!! Although I have a degree in English, I had never read any Mormon fiction or memoir at all. Recently I ordered Hooligan, Long After Dark and Brother Brigham from Zarahemla Books and The Backslider from another venue. We are reading Hooligan aloud as a family (we always have a read-aloud book going) and with just a 13-year-old son still at home, I am pleasantly surprised how much he is enjoying the book!
So my contributions must be small here, but I would love to see David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism as a best in some category. I agree with Rough Stone Rolling. I am in accordance with the 2 top hymns so far - I would rank O My Father first with If You Could Hie to Kolob a close second (in my former ward, the ward music director was asked that we not sing Kolob or a number of other hymns so we could stick to the more familiar ones that members knew and felt comfortable with!!). I won't nominate As Sisters in Zion as the worst hymn, however, it is one I simply cannot sing to the end. Every time I get to the line "the errand of angels is given to women" I get stuck!! If that is true, why are all the angels in scripture male?????? It seems to me more correct to sing that "the errand of angels is given to the men" but probably that's just me!
Anyway, on another note, I have been a member of AML off and on for several years but only joined the online discussion group a few weeks ago (and what an exciting time to join!!). If people wonder at the benefit or purpose of AML, I will note that it is directly through this venue that I became aware of the books I ordered, the existence of Zarahemla Books and a couple of other small LDS publishers, and perhaps started to recognize the need for Mormon literature. I just try to read great literature, not worry about what "kind" it is, but my awareness in this area is increasing. After having read so much about States of Grace and reading an online interview with Richard Dutcher (also found through this group), I will rent the movie and watch it. I am not able to avail myself of conferences in Utah, plays at the BYU campus, etc, but I feel the benefits in other ways. Having few LDS literary ties, the AML provides me with enlightening (albeit usually one-sided) conversation. Keep it up!!!!!
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Thanks for your comments on membership, Charlotte. I'm glad it's been worthwhile for you.
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Charlotte Willian wrote: If people wonder at the benefit or purpose of AML, I will note that it is directly through this venue that I became aware of the books I ordered, the existence of Zarahemla Books and a couple of other small LDS publishers, and perhaps started to recognize the need for Mormon literature. I just try to read great literature, not worry about what "kind" it is, but my awareness in this area is increasing. After having read so much about States of Grace and reading an online interview with Richard Dutcher (also found through this group), I will rent the movie and watch it. I am not able to avail myself of conferences in Utah, plays at the BYU campus, etc, but I feel the benefits in other ways. Having few LDS literary ties, the AML provides me with enlightening (albeit usually one-sided) conversation. Keep it up!!!!! Great to hear from an old friend. I would add that one high priority for us is to make AML even more valuable for those of our members who don't live in Utah. To that end, we're planning to make available podcasts of our Writers' Conference and Annual meeting, plus we're working to make the AML annuals available on-line. And we're interested in any suggestions that will benefit our membership. Let's keep the conversation going!
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I think the podcast ideas is great, Eric! Even in Utah, I can't always make the meetings because of sundry rehearsal schedules for plays.
Upon the stage of a theater can be represented in character, evil and its consequences, good and its happy results and rewards; the weakness and the follies of man, the magnamity of virtue and the greatness of truth. The stage can be made to aid the pulpit in impressing upon the minds of a community an enlightened sense of a virtuous life, also a proper horror of the enormity of sin and a just dread of its consequences. The path of sin with its thorns and pitfalls, its gins and snares can be revealed, and how to sun it (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.243; Bookcraft, 199
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Over the weekend, I had a chance to talk to my father about this thread, and he disagreed with all my hymn choices. He's a musician, and thinks "I believe in Christ" is our finest hymn. I think it's about the dullest hymn imaginable, but I still like my Dad just fine. But our conversation reminded me just how many terrific classic hymns there are from our early history, hymns like Oh My Father, and The Spirit of God and of course, Come Come Ye Saints. I heard a recent arrangement of Adam Ondi Adam that I thought was completely terrific. And recent hymns, like Robert Cundick's That Easter Morn are equally fine. I could live without the martial ones, the We are All Enlisteds and Onward Christian Soldiers, which seem to require Salvation army uniforms to get the whole effect, but there are surely some wonderful hymns in our history.
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I agree. It's usually the Restoration era hymns that end up being my favorites-- Oh My Father, Spirit of God, Come, Come Ye Saints, Praise to the Man, High on the Mountaintop, Adam-Ondi-Ahman, A Poorwayfaring Man of Grief, If You Could Hie To Kolob-- I think we've lost a lot of the depth and spirituality these early hymns have with much of our modern stuff. I also love what I call "peace" hymns-- Nearer My God To Thee, Lead Kindly Light, Abide With Me 'Tis Eventide, etc. Beautiful, poignant hymns that cause longing for heaven within me, and a kind of peaceful melancholy.
Upon the stage of a theater can be represented in character, evil and its consequences, good and its happy results and rewards; the weakness and the follies of man, the magnamity of virtue and the greatness of truth. The stage can be made to aid the pulpit in impressing upon the minds of a community an enlightened sense of a virtuous life, also a proper horror of the enormity of sin and a just dread of its consequences. The path of sin with its thorns and pitfalls, its gins and snares can be revealed, and how to sun it (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.243; Bookcraft, 199
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I agree, Mahonri. On the other hand, some of the best children's songs have been written in the past half century. "I'll Follow Him in Faith" and "How Will They Know" are the two that immediately spring to mind. A Motley Vision: Mormon Arts and Culture
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